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Gits knew it was my birthday on the weekend. :fedup:

Best get on it for the remainder of this week :beer::beer::beer::beer:
 

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Ridiculous as usual by Drakeford. Expect numerous similar firebreaks over the next few years, damaging the economy.

Cardiff showed it's superior intellect by voting against the Senydd being established.
 

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Ridiculous as usual by Drakeford. Expect numerous similar firebreaks over the next few years, damaging the economy.

Cardiff showed it's superior intellect by voting against the Senydd being established.
They should call it business breaker.
 

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Ridiculous as usual by Drakeford. Expect numerous similar firebreaks over the next few years, damaging the economy.

Cardiff showed it's superior intellect by voting against the Senydd being established.
They should call it business breaker.
Surely this kind of lockdown that has a specific purpose and a definite end is preferable than a never ending one that just results in apathy from the public?

There are packages in place for businesses both from the Welsh government an the UK government which will help mitigate against lost business, and I'm quite sure this is all to try and make sure the highstreet doesn't lose out on the Christmas market.

Everyone knows where they stand with this and they know it's for a finite period. In the absence of a vaccine this might happen again too, but if people know when it starts and ends they'll hopefully be more willing to abide by the rules, for the greater good of everybody.
 

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Surely this kind of lockdown that has a specific purpose and a definite end is preferable than a never ending one that just results in apathy from the public?

There are packages in place for businesses both from the Welsh government an the UK government which will help mitigate against lost business, and I'm quite sure this is all to try and make sure the highstreet doesn't lose out on the Christmas market.

Everyone knows where they stand with this and they know it's for a finite period. In the absence of a vaccine this might happen again too, but if people know when it starts and ends they'll hopefully be more willing to abide by the rules, for the greater good of everybody.
Drakeford is hoping UK government pay out...

Drakeford is playing the "for the greater good" card yet isn't publishing his evidence. It's whack a mole - areas without high scores - whatever metric Drakeford has decided to use today - are thus hit for zero reason.

This "fire break" will be followed by another and another and another...

We know the Labour leaders agree with their shadow education secretary that Labour should not “let a good crisis go to waste” - she's either been disciplined nor sacked. We see Rachel Reeves, shadow business secretary when asked by Andrew Marr about Labour's desire for a lockdown describe it at various times during the interview as "two weeks", "three weeks", "two to three weeks" and "28 days" - along with refusing to rule out repeated further lockdowns.

It's cynical on the part of Labour. The tactic is aimed at delaying the wave and all it'll do is push the wave into winter, where NHS resources are required the most. Cause issues with NHS, blame government and the politicisation is complete - people won't really care NHS is devolved in wales which is why it's in such a state.

Now, is Drakeford's concern based upon positive tests or deaths?
 

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This "fire break" will be followed by another and another and another...
I fully expect this to be the case, until a vaccine is available the virus will continue to spread. When that spread threatens to put too much strain on the NHS it's wise to take measures to ease that strain.

Now, is Drakeford's concern based upon positive tests or deaths?
He said in the conference today it was due to rising hospital admissions and fears that the NHS would soon not be able to cope.
 

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I fully expect this to be the case, until a vaccine is available the virus will continue to spread. When that spread threatens to put too much strain on the NHS it's wise to take measures to ease that strain.

He said in the conference today it was due to rising hospital admissions and fears that the NHS would soon not be able to cope.
It's not wise to cause mass job losses in areas with low rates.

Rising hospital admissions due to covid or with the onset of a flu wave? Rise in hospital admissions with cases put back due to covid taking the beds?

Are his fears the NHS in Wales would soon not be able to cope due to his mis-management of NHS in Wales?

At the care home my mum is in, there have been 3 positive cases - all tested negative at care home and were hospitalised - a stroke and two heart attacks. Both tested positive for covid in hospital - little doubt it was picked up in UHW which would surprise nobody.

I'm in no way diminishing the pandemic. It's clearly out there and we need to be careful but there's a massive difference between dying with covid and dying because of covid.

From the Guardian...

"Commenting on the ONS figures showing that there have been 25,000 excess deaths registered in private homes in England this year (see 12.14pm), Sir David Spiegelhalter, chairman of the Winton Centre for Risk and Evidence Communication at the University of Cambridge, said that most of these deaths were deaths that in normal circumstances would have occurred in hospital. He said:

Non-Covid deaths in hospital have correspondingly declined, suggesting most of these deaths would normally have occurred in hospital, and people have either been reluctant to go, discouraged from attending, or the services have been disrupted.
He added that it is “unclear how many of these lives could have been extended had they gone to hospital”."

I agree with local lockdowns; in England at the minute cities with large spikes in positive tests have seen the cases declining - could well be argued that spike coincided with uni students returning. Local lockdowns minimise the effect to those areas affected badly. Drakeford just wants a blanket thing which will damage Wales.
 

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It's not wise to cause mass job losses in areas with low rates.
Is a two week lockdown, with a definite end date and with financial aid in place, going to cause mass job losses? Or is this politically motivated hyperbole?

Are his fears the NHS in Wales would soon not be able to cope due to his mis-management of NHS in Wales?
And again.


Drakeford just wants a blanket thing which will damage Wales.
And again.
 

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Is a two week lockdown, with a definite end date and with financial aid in place, going to cause mass job losses? Or is this politically motivated hyperbole?
So every single business will not lose a single penny, right? Rubbish. There are businesses right now on the brink of going under - this break not to mention further ones will tip them over the edge.

NHS in Wales has performed worse than in England pre-covid. You're blaming the UK government for that given health is, errm, devolved?

Drakeford has proven incompetence over virtually every matter - Brynglas tunnels anyone?

Still to you it's all just a political attack on Labour and conveniently ignore the shadow education ministers comments...

care to publish Drakefords evidence backing this lockdown rather than waffly drivel? Actual evidence?
 
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