Should a black dude play James Bond next?

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My argument is that Shaft is a bad example. What are the reasons you think Bond can't be anything other than a white?
Shaft is not a bad example though.

If the first Bond film came out and the lead was black it would have changed the entire story. He's established as a white character the same as Shaft is.
 

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That's because you're not comparing apples with apples though. Shaft was notable precisely *because* it used a black lead, was aimed at the black market, one of the leading early adopters in the blaxploitation genre of film making. It's the entire culture around that film that made the film 2famous" because on a critical level, it simply wasn't that good as a film in it's own right.

James Bond could literally be anybody.... well ok, maybe not Alan Carr.
If Bond had started out as a black character then that would have been notable too. He wasn't though, he was white.
 

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Shaft is not a bad example though.

If the first Bond film came out and the lead was black it would have changed the entire story. He's established as a white character the same as Shaft is.
In what sense is he established as white? What makes the character of Bond white? Bond movies are generic spy / action movies. Shaft was produced specifically to target the black market.
 

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Shaft is not a bad example though.

If the first Bond film came out and the lead was black it would have changed the entire story. He's established as a white character the same as Shaft is.
If that’s the case all Bond films should be set in the 50s/60s
 

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Quick google search shows it’s been done many times

a white actor playing a role that was originally a black person

and a black actor playing a role that was originally a white person

2 examples the Manchurian candidate was originally frank sinatra the remake was densil Washington

jonny depp played tonto in the long ranger the original was jay silverheels

many many more examples if you look
 

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Quick google search shows it’s been done many times

a white actor playing a role that was originally a black person

and a black actor playing a role that was originally a white person

2 examples the Manchurian candidate was originally frank sinatra the remake was densil Washington

jonny depp played tonto in the long ranger the original was jay silverheels

many many more examples if you look


You'll be saying The Equaliser should be black next
 

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Well I think the next bond should be a dog. A lovely friendly border collie.

The names woof, james woof. Licenced to shit on your lawn.
 

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It would have been notable a black lead, sure. The Bond movies however would hardly have tapped into black culture, would they?
I think if Bond were black then it probably would have.

I just find it quite absurd.
 

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I think if Bond were black then it probably would have.

I just find it quite absurd.
Behave! The Bond series was very much in a male dominated white world... are you seriously claiming a Black Bond would've led teh franchise down the blaxploitation route? Of course it wouldn't.
 

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If they make James Bond black then I won’t be watching it.

Not that I’ve ever watched one anyway...
 

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The names Black. James Black.
 

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Behave! The Bond series was very much in a male dominated white world... are you seriously claiming a Black Bond would've led teh franchise down the blaxploitation route? Of course it wouldn't.
No I'm not claiming that, don't know why you've leapt from "tapped into black culture" and gone right to "led the franchise down the blaxploitation route". Probably because your weak argument needs it.

A story about a 1950's British spy would not have just ignored the fact he was black, would it?
 

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No I'm not claiming that, don't know why you've leapt from "tapped into black culture" and gone right to "led the franchise down the blaxploitation route". Probably because your weak argument needs it.

A story about a 1950's British spy would not have just ignored the fact he was black, would it?
I've gone that route with Shaft precisely because that's EXACTLY what happened and was the intent of the casting!

If you want to go down the route of Bond being routed, then there wouldn't have been a Black Bond for glaringly obvious reasons... the Bond series is pretty clearly not set in the 50s anymore so that's a weak argument.
 

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I've gone that route with Shaft precisely because that's EXACTLY what happened and was the intent of the casting!

If you want to go down the route of Bond being routed, then there wouldn't have been a Black Bond for glaringly obvious reasons... the Bond series is pretty clearly not set in the 50s anymore so that's a weak argument.
Jesus, what an absolute nightmare it is talking to you, you're all over the shop.

I know Bond isn't set in the bloody 50's, what we were talking about was "what if Bond was originally cast as a black man" to which you oddly responded "it would hardly have tapped into black culture" to which I disagreed.

It's hard work trying to remind you of what the conversation is about, could you just scroll back and look before responding?
 

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