Temporary Dismissals introduced in Welsh football

[The Colonel]

Temporary Dismissals, commonly known as ‘Sin Bins’, will be introduced to grassroots senior and youth football throughout Wales from next season – 2024 / 2025.

The decision to implement Temporary Dismissals was unanimously approved by the Football Association of Wales’ Community Game Board following a successful trial in six Grassroots football competitions throughout Wales this season.

The trial has so far included nearly 1,300 games and seen the frequency of Dissent cautions for players reduce by 34% compared to the previous season, while instances of Red Cards for Offensive, Insulting or Abusive language also reduced by 32%.

The Community Game Board, which is formed of representatives of the six Area Associations, also considered the results of a survey of Clubs and Match Officials involved in the trial which signalled overall support for Temporary Dismissals.

Next season on-field players who commit a Dissent offence will be shown a Yellow Card and must leave the pitch for a minimum of 10 minutes. Sanctions for all offences other than Dissent by on-field players will remain unchanged.

Additional trials will be carried out to determine whether Temporary Dismissals should also be introduced to junior grassroots football in future. Temporary Dismissals will not apply to any national competitions.

The Leagues, Clubs, Coaches, Players, and Referees involved in grassroots football will be able to access online and in-person training on Temporary Dismissals before the start of the 2024/2025 Season.

Noel Mooney, CEO of the FAW said: “Introducing Temporary Dismissals is a significant step on our journey to making football the most inclusive, accessible and successful sport in Cymru. That means creating safe and enjoyable environments for all participants in football, including match officials.”

Commenting on the Temporary Dismissals trial, Chairman of the FAW Community Game Board, Mark Adams said: “Grassroots football is growing at an incredible rate in Wales. The more people there are playing football, the more Referees we need to ensure a fair playing environment. However, dissent and abuse towards match officials has been identified as a key reason for referees leaving the game which is contributing to a shortage.

“By introducing Temporary Dismissals, we are confident that dissent and abuse towards match officials will be reduced and we’ll therefore see an increase in the number of Referees available to help football participation grow.”

Temporary Dismissals introduced senior & youth grassroots for 2024/25 season - FAW

Temporary Dismissals, commonly known as ‘Sin Bins’, will be introduced to grassroots senior and youth football throughout Wales from next season.

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[Jimmytaff]

Temporary Dismissals, commonly known as ‘Sin Bins’, will be introduced to grassroots senior and youth football throughout Wales from next season – 2024 / 2025.

The decision to implement Temporary Dismissals was unanimously approved by the Football Association of Wales’ Community Game Board following a successful trial in six Grassroots football competitions throughout Wales this season.

The trial has so far included nearly 1,300 games and seen the frequency of Dissent cautions for players reduce by 34% compared to the previous season, while instances of Red Cards for Offensive, Insulting or Abusive language also reduced by 32%.

The Community Game Board, which is formed of representatives of the six Area Associations, also considered the results of a survey of Clubs and Match Officials involved in the trial which signalled overall support for Temporary Dismissals.

Next season on-field players who commit a Dissent offence will be shown a Yellow Card and must leave the pitch for a minimum of 10 minutes. Sanctions for all offences other than Dissent by on-field players will remain unchanged.

Additional trials will be carried out to determine whether Temporary Dismissals should also be introduced to junior grassroots football in future. Temporary Dismissals will not apply to any national competitions.

The Leagues, Clubs, Coaches, Players, and Referees involved in grassroots football will be able to access online and in-person training on Temporary Dismissals before the start of the 2024/2025 Season.

Noel Mooney, CEO of the FAW said: “Introducing Temporary Dismissals is a significant step on our journey to making football the most inclusive, accessible and successful sport in Cymru. That means creating safe and enjoyable environments for all participants in football, including match officials.”

Commenting on the Temporary Dismissals trial, Chairman of the FAW Community Game Board, Mark Adams said: “Grassroots football is growing at an incredible rate in Wales. The more people there are playing football, the more Referees we need to ensure a fair playing environment. However, dissent and abuse towards match officials has been identified as a key reason for referees leaving the game which is contributing to a shortage.

“By introducing Temporary Dismissals, we are confident that dissent and abuse towards match officials will be reduced and we’ll therefore see an increase in the number of Referees available to help football participation grow.”

Temporary Dismissals introduced senior & youth grassroots for 2024/25 season - FAW

Temporary Dismissals, commonly known as ‘Sin Bins’, will be introduced to grassroots senior and youth football throughout Wales from next season.

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At the lower levels this will be bloody tough to implement.

 

[The Colonel]

At the lower levels this will be bloody tough to implement.

Swearing is it?

 

[Mr Shitpeas]

At the lower levels this will be bloody tough to implement.

It’s already been trialled at grassroots level and has been successful so far. I’m all for it. Anything to help referees stay in the game.

 

[Jimmytaff]

It’s already been trialled at grassroots level and has been successful so far. I’m all for it. Anything to help referees stay in the game.

Surprised at that. At parks level I can see the ref copping loads of shit and it's another thing to worry about it. Probably not a big deal for proper refs but not easy for those filling in. I've reffed a parks game and hated it despite not having full on arseholes

 

[Mr Shitpeas]

Surprised at that. At parks level I can see the ref copping loads of shit and it's another thing to worry about it. Probably not a big deal for proper refs but not easy for those filling in. I've reffed a parks game and hated it despite not having full on arseholes

I think the fact that’s it’s only for dissent probably helps.
I’ve only ever reffed juniors and not had any real problems apart from a bit of moaning, but I wouldn’t fancy refereeing a parks game much.

 

[stantys tattoos]

Temporary Dismissals, commonly known as ‘Sin Bins’, will be introduced to grassroots senior and youth football throughout Wales from next season – 2024 / 2025.

The decision to implement Temporary Dismissals was unanimously approved by the Football Association of Wales’ Community Game Board following a successful trial in six Grassroots football competitions throughout Wales this season.

The trial has so far included nearly 1,300 games and seen the frequency of Dissent cautions for players reduce by 34% compared to the previous season, while instances of Red Cards for Offensive, Insulting or Abusive language also reduced by 32%.

The Community Game Board, which is formed of representatives of the six Area Associations, also considered the results of a survey of Clubs and Match Officials involved in the trial which signalled overall support for Temporary Dismissals.

Next season on-field players who commit a Dissent offence will be shown a Yellow Card and must leave the pitch for a minimum of 10 minutes. Sanctions for all offences other than Dissent by on-field players will remain unchanged.

Additional trials will be carried out to determine whether Temporary Dismissals should also be introduced to junior grassroots football in future. Temporary Dismissals will not apply to any national competitions.

The Leagues, Clubs, Coaches, Players, and Referees involved in grassroots football will be able to access online and in-person training on Temporary Dismissals before the start of the 2024/2025 Season.

Noel Mooney, CEO of the FAW said: “Introducing Temporary Dismissals is a significant step on our journey to making football the most inclusive, accessible and successful sport in Cymru. That means creating safe and enjoyable environments for all participants in football, including match officials.”

Commenting on the Temporary Dismissals trial, Chairman of the FAW Community Game Board, Mark Adams said: “Grassroots football is growing at an incredible rate in Wales. The more people there are playing football, the more Referees we need to ensure a fair playing environment. However, dissent and abuse towards match officials has been identified as a key reason for referees leaving the game which is contributing to a shortage.

“By introducing Temporary Dismissals, we are confident that dissent and abuse towards match officials will be reduced and we’ll therefore see an increase in the number of Referees available to help football participation grow.”

Temporary Dismissals introduced senior & youth grassroots for 2024/25 season - FAW

Temporary Dismissals, commonly known as ‘Sin Bins’, will be introduced to grassroots senior and youth football throughout Wales from next season.

faw.cymru

 

[The Colonel]

 

[Steve R]

I think the fact that’s it’s only for dissent probably helps.
I’ve only ever reffed juniors and not had any real problems apart from a bit of moaning, but I wouldn’t fancy refereeing a parks game much.

Where's your glasses Ref? lmfao

 

[NumberAde]

It’s already been trialled at grassroots level and has been successful so far. I’m all for it. Anything to help referees stay in the game.

I can't see what purpose it serves higher up. Granted, some refs are taking their lives in their own hands in parks football. I just can't see sin bins working higher up - will lead to more time wasting and as the sin bin clock won't stop for injuries, players feigning injury etc it's just going to add more unnecessary controversy to games. Add in VAR, and I'm beginning to wonder if we're just making referees more important than they ever need to be.

 

[Mr Shitpeas]

I can't see what purpose it serves higher up. Granted, some refs are taking their lives in their own hands in parks football. I just can't see sin bins working higher up - will lead to more time wasting and as the sin bin clock won't stop for injuries, players feigning injury etc it's just going to add more unnecessary controversy to games. Add in VAR, and I'm beginning to wonder if we're just making referees more important than they ever need to be.

As it goes I agree about it at the professional level, I think it’s unnecessary there.

As for VAR, surely that is making refs less important. I don’t like it for that very reason. When it was introduced I said it would become like the TMO has become in rugby where nearly every try decision now gets referred, and VAR is seemingly going that way.

 

[NumberAde]

As it goes I agree about it at the professional level, I think it’s unnecessary there.

As for VAR, surely that is making refs less important. I don’t like it for that very reason. When it was introduced I said it would become like the TMO has become in rugby where nearly every try decision now gets referred, and VAR is seemingly going that way.

Yes - I think what I meant was that VAR is making games all about decisions.

I've always been against VAR because it just kills the essence of the game. Balls crossing lines - fair enough. If a ref gives a pen, then the only reason I think VAR should be used is to check that the foul was inside the box. Offsides, again you're either offside or you're not so VAR checking is fine for that. The rest of it is nonsense.

I can't see sin bins being allowed at any significant level - even down to National League. I also wonder how referees cope with time management if they have multiple sin-bins. The issue at lower, grassroots level is that refs are getting physically abused by players, managers and fans. If sin bins help that, then it makes sense. If sin bins make refs more likely to get abuse, then it's not helping. The reports are that it does work though.

Personally, I'd make it a rule that only captains can talk to referees. It probably is a rule, but it's not enforced.

 

[NumberAde]

Temporary Dismissals, commonly known as ‘Sin Bins’, will be introduced to grassroots senior and youth football throughout Wales from next season – 2024 / 2025.

The decision to implement Temporary Dismissals was unanimously approved by the Football Association of Wales’ Community Game Board following a successful trial in six Grassroots football competitions throughout Wales this season.

The trial has so far included nearly 1,300 games and seen the frequency of Dissent cautions for players reduce by 34% compared to the previous season, while instances of Red Cards for Offensive, Insulting or Abusive language also reduced by 32%.

The Community Game Board, which is formed of representatives of the six Area Associations, also considered the results of a survey of Clubs and Match Officials involved in the trial which signalled overall support for Temporary Dismissals.

Next season on-field players who commit a Dissent offence will be shown a Yellow Card and must leave the pitch for a minimum of 10 minutes. Sanctions for all offences other than Dissent by on-field players will remain unchanged.

Additional trials will be carried out to determine whether Temporary Dismissals should also be introduced to junior grassroots football in future. Temporary Dismissals will not apply to any national competitions.

The Leagues, Clubs, Coaches, Players, and Referees involved in grassroots football will be able to access online and in-person training on Temporary Dismissals before the start of the 2024/2025 Season.

Noel Mooney, CEO of the FAW said: “Introducing Temporary Dismissals is a significant step on our journey to making football the most inclusive, accessible and successful sport in Cymru. That means creating safe and enjoyable environments for all participants in football, including match officials.”

Commenting on the Temporary Dismissals trial, Chairman of the FAW Community Game Board, Mark Adams said: “Grassroots football is growing at an incredible rate in Wales. The more people there are playing football, the more Referees we need to ensure a fair playing environment. However, dissent and abuse towards match officials has been identified as a key reason for referees leaving the game which is contributing to a shortage.

“By introducing Temporary Dismissals, we are confident that dissent and abuse towards match officials will be reduced and we’ll therefore see an increase in the number of Referees available to help football participation grow.”

Temporary Dismissals introduced senior & youth grassroots for 2024/25 season - FAW

Temporary Dismissals, commonly known as ‘Sin Bins’, will be introduced to grassroots senior and youth football throughout Wales from next season.

faw.cymru

Is that upto League of Wales level? Not sure what grassroots level means to be fair.

 

[Dr. Lecter]

I can't see what purpose it serves higher up. Granted, some refs are taking their lives in their own hands in parks football. I just can't see sin bins working higher up - will lead to more time wasting and as the sin bin clock won't stop for injuries, players feigning injury etc it's just going to add more unnecessary controversy to games. Add in VAR, and I'm beginning to wonder if we're just making referees more important than they ever need to be.

Just another pointless waste of time by people running the game looking for things to do. As you say all it’ll do is just encourage 10 minutes of time wasting.

If they really want to clamp down on abuse of refs then just make it a red card offence. Start it at the top as well so kids watching will realise gobbing off at the ref gets you sent off.

 

[Mr Shitpeas]

Yes - I think what I meant was that VAR is making games all about decisions.

I've always been against VAR because it just kills the essence of the game. Balls crossing lines - fair enough. If a ref gives a pen, then the only reason I think VAR should be used is to check that the foul was inside the box. Offsides, again you're either offside or you're not so VAR checking is fine for that. The rest of it is nonsense.

I can't see sin bins being allowed at any significant level - even down to National League. I also wonder how referees cope with time management if they have multiple sin-bins. The issue at lower, grassroots level is that refs are getting physically abused by players, managers and fans. If sin bins help that, then it makes sense. If sin bins make refs more likely to get abuse, then it's not helping. The reports are that it does work though.

Personally, I'd make it a rule that only captains can talk to referees. It probably is a rule, but it's not enforced.

Captains talking to the ref is definitely one that I’d like to see implemented and properly enforced, ideally from the top down. A lot of the problems stem from kids that see professionals on telly barracking the ref and they just copy it and grow up thinking it’s normal.

 

[NumberAde]

Just another pointless waste of time by people running the game looking for things to do. As you say all it’ll do is just encourage 10 minutes of time wasting.

If they really want to clamp down on abuse of refs then just make it a red card offence. Start it at the top as well so kids watching will realise gobbing off at the ref gets you sent off.

Maybe it is at youth levels where the education needs to happen. It's not as bad at PL level now as it was in Fergie's day - when he'd have 4/5 players pressurising the refs and, invariably, the next decision always went Man U's way.

Also, it's not just abuse from players and managers. How often, when we were in the PL, did we see our games refereed differently from those involving the top 6? Usually refs were shit scared of getting demoted from doing something controversial in a City v Southampton match and missing out on Liverpool/Man U/ Man C the week after. That definitely used to happen, and maybe still does.

I remember us playing Arsenal and the ref holding the game up while an Arsenal player tied his boot laces. Ref laughing and joking with Arsenal players while we all waited. I've gone off on a tangent, but I do think refs need more protection - but I also think that means better management by the authorities when a ref does make a mistake. Not sure relegating them, suspending them for a genuine error is right.

 

[NumberAde]

Captains talking to the ref is definitely one that I’d like to see implemented and properly enforced, ideally from the top down. A lot of the problems stem from kids that see professionals on telly barracking the ref and they just copy it and grow up thinking it’s normal.

I've seen players like Rooney shout "Fucking Twat" at a referee and not get a booking. I'd say any bad language directed at a referee should be a yellow. But I've also seen referees treat England internationals a lot differently to non-internationals. Some of the things Shearer used to get away with were laughable.

 

[NumberAde]

Captains talking to the ref is definitely one that I’d like to see implemented and properly enforced, ideally from the top down. A lot of the problems stem from kids that see professionals on telly barracking the ref and they just copy it and grow up thinking it’s normal.

If they enforce that then I think they can consider miking up the refs. I've always found that a bit cringey when watching rugby but I do think adding mics would improve behaviour. Wouldn't do much at grassroots though, and it seems a shame that there are different standards in football now.

If you're a fan of Village Green United, your league match will have sinbins. But, a home cup tie against Newcastle will not have sinbins. If you manage a replay, the away game at Newcastle will have VAR and goal-line technology. Then, back to the league, and suddenly it's sinbins and no VAR or goal-line technology. Game really should look the same - 11 v 11, 1 ref, 2 linos, a ball, and 2 goals whether it's Old Trafford or Dog Shit Park.

 

[Jimmytaff]

If they enforce that then I think they can consider miking up the refs. I've always found that a bit cringey when watching rugby but I do think adding mics would improve behaviour. Wouldn't do much at grassroots though, and it seems a shame that there are different standards in football now.

If you're a fan of Village Green United, your league match will have sinbins. But, a home cup tie against Newcastle will not have sinbins. If you manage a replay, the away game at Newcastle will have VAR and goal-line technology. Then, back to the league, and suddenly it's sinbins and no VAR or goal-line technology. Game really should look the same - 11 v 11, 1 ref, 2 linos, a ball, and 2 goals whether it's Old Trafford or Dog Shit Park.

A lot of the romance of the game I loved as a kid has gone.

 

[William Smith]

This is already in place in the lower leagues of Welsh football .In the form of the blue card seen it in action at my local amateur club players getting the card for dissent .With the lack of referees at parks level be difficult to do this at parks level .