The latest Labour Farce

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No, it's demeaning to call people idiots because they don't vote the way you want them to - and quite frankly, that feeds into the likes of Trump when he plays the anti-establishment card.

If you or others here were in Germany at the time, you'd almost certainly have voted for the Nazi party - why? Antisemitism as all pervasive. Constant propaganda. Constant violence. The seeds were sewn for the Nazi party to gain popularity. In that environment, were those people really idiots?
There were plenty who opposed him

I’d like to think that if I had the mind I do now, I would not have voted for him, no

Did Hitler ever get more than 50% of the vote? I don’t think he did, so a bizarre thing to tell me I would almost certainly have voted for him

Very odd
 

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There were plenty who opposed him

I’d like to think that if I had the mind I do now, I would not have voted for him, no

Did Hitler ever get more than 50% of the vote? I don’t think he did, so a bizarre thing to tell me I would almost certainly have voted for him

Very odd
"Almost certainly" was a tad strong, with hindsight. Use "may" instead. I would like to think you wouldn't have voted for him.

Regardless, whilst people voted democratically, the whole environment was certainly nothing like that in UK, USA today.
 

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And? We're only in February now, are you suggesting we've turned round the titanic?
You're acting as if it was the Titanic though.

The vaccination programme has been a major gamechanger, potentially allowing quicker recovery.
 

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"Almost certainly" was a tad strong, with hindsight. Use "may" instead. I would like to think you wouldn't have voted for him.

Regardless, whilst people voted democratically, the whole environment was certainly nothing like that in UK, USA today.
This is irrelevant though - the point made was that a majority vote does not necessarily lead to the best outcome

Surely even you can concede that? All things considered.
 

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This is irrelevant though - the point made was that a majority vote does not necessarily lead to the best outcome

Surely even you can concede that? All things considered.
Yes, I can agree with that point.

Calling people "idiots" though for exercising their democratic right, I disagree with.
 

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Yes, I can agree with that point.

Calling people "idiots" though for exercising their democratic right, I disagree with.
Maybe that would have been a better response? :shrug2:

He's allowed to think that of them mind - I think people are idiots for all sorts of reasons :thumbup:
 

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You're acting as if it was the Titanic though.

The vaccination programme has been a major gamechanger, potentially allowing quicker recovery.
You asked for evidence about our dire financial plight compared to other countries. I gave a link to the financial times. You said the report is 6 weeks out of date.:hehe:

Youre sounding like comical Ali 'all going well, nothing to see' now come on all the outlets throughout the world are reporting that we're in a spot of bother.

 

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You asked for evidence about our dire financial plight compared to other countries. I gave a link to the financial times. You said the report is 6 weeks out of date.:hehe:

Youre sounding like comical Ali 'all going well, nothing to see' now come on all the outlets throughout the world are reporting that we're in a spot of bother.

Where have I said "all going well"?

Inevitable an initial hit after Brexit. covid going to hit.

The article points out the "damage" as better than most experts predicted. It also points out unemployment was less than expected.

It's neither "all sunny" nor "all gloom". What matters will be how well we bounce back, and I've little doubt our vaccination programme being ahead of most nations will aid that.

Anyways, as I said g_d knows how many posts before, thought this was meant to be a Labour farce thread?
 

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This is an interesting post. It's been very easy for years to assume that all the nutters were either back in the 1930's, or in far-flung places like Iraq or Afghanistan. Watching events unfold in the States brought things a lot closer to home, I think. In fact I was only yesterday thinking to myself that Splotty's slavish defence of Corbyn, interest in conspiracies and willingness to pick and choose voting figures that fit his agenda had parallels with the MAGA mindset.
Hahahaha.
You're priceless Woody. Asked to come clean on your political beliefs, values and principles, you once again just double down.
 

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You asked for evidence about our dire financial plight compared to other countries. I gave a link to the financial times. You said the report is 6 weeks out of date.:hehe:

Youre sounding like comical Ali 'all going well, nothing to see' now come on all the outlets throughout the world are reporting that we're in a spot of bother.

6 million on Universal Credit by March, half a million people officially classified as destitute and somehow we've got to find out how we're going to repay the £400 billion bill for Covid.

But according to the delusional on here, going forward will be sunny slopes.
 

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Yes, I can agree with that point.

Calling people "idiots" though for exercising their democratic right, I disagree with.
People who exercise their democratic rights aren't necessarily idiots.

But there are a lot of idiots who exercise their democratic rights.
 

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Perhaps you can point out where I've said "going forward would be sunny slopes"?

No?

Funny that.
 

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There were plenty who opposed him

I’d like to think that if I had the mind I do now, I would not have voted for him, no

Did Hitler ever get more than 50% of the vote? I don’t think he did, so a bizarre thing to tell me I would almost certainly have voted for him

Very odd
At the time and it was of its time, the National Socialist Party, was seen as the only viable protection for the German people, to the external threats from Bolshevik Russia.
Shortly after WW1 Germany had experienced an attempted Bolshevik revolution which resulted in armed fighting on the streets. That attempt had been orchestrated and directed from Moscow and was led by German Bolsheviks, who were loyal to Moscow.
 

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Agreed.

Mostly Corbyn fanbois...
I was thinking of working class blokes in the north of england voting to lose their jobs and livelihoods and trusting that old etonians and members of the bullingdon club would have their best interests at heart.
 

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Yes, I can agree with that point.

Calling people "idiots" though for exercising their democratic right, I disagree with.
I'm calling them idiots for exercising their democratic right although I think they must
So why have the left wing governments across Europe failed to be as great as New Zealand then?

It can't possibly be due to different population demographics, geographical factors or far, far less entry points to cover

We have the worst covid death rate in Europe, it's not up for discussion it's a hard cold fact. We had the good fortune to have had a few weeks grace compared to mainland Europe, again that's a fact. We are geographically fortunate to be surrounded by the natural defence of water, again a fact. We had a prime minister who suggested "we take covid on the chin" again that's a fact. We had a prime minister who told the country he'd been shaking hands with patients with covid. Fact. We had a prime minister who got taken into hospital with covid.

New Zealand has less than 100 deaths, we have over 100, 000. Again Fact.

Compared to most countries we fucked up and we fuvked up bad. If you really want to draw comparisons with New Z this government should resign.
 

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People who exercise their democratic rights aren't necessarily idiots.

But there are a lot of idiots who exercise their democratic rights.
Exibit A M'lud

 

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Hahahaha.
You're priceless Woody. Asked to come clean on your political beliefs, values and principles, you once again just double down.
What on earth are you on about?

Nobody has asked about my political beliefs and other than engaging in a bit of debate on here from time to time, I don't feel the need to ram them down everyone's throat ad nauseam, unlike a few on here, you being a prime example.

FYI, I am probably a right-leaning centrist. I have voted Tory in every past GE however given their shambolic handling of Brexit, hapless management of Covid and scandalous misuse of public funds in matters like PPE procurement, I will not be voting for them next time. I do not want to be represented by charlatans like Boris Johnson, anachronistic oddballs like Rees-Mogg, nor those out of their depth like Priti Patel. These people are just the flipside of Corbyn/McDonnell/Abbott as far as I am concerned. My own (Tory) MP, who I've met a number of times and am in pretty regularly touch with, is a good guy, and I'm sure he's not the only one, but sadly he does not seem destined for any positions of responsibility.

I was actually sufficiently disaffected with the Tories to have wanted to vote Labour at the last GE but did not feel inclined to vote for Corbyn and his loony lefty mob. The dashing Sir Keir would however definitely get my vote, as he and those around him appear a great deal more reasonable than the Momentum bullies who swept the completely unsuitable Corbyn to the leadership. Hopefully, a return towards the centre ground on the left would see a similar movement over time from the Tories.

I greatly dislike the increasingly polarised nature of a lot of politics, but recognise that a lot of this is driven by people at either extreme who have far too much to say for themselves and are far too easily amplified by social media these days. So I'm happy to look at things in as much detail as I'd like to and make up my own mind, interjecting only when I think I can add something of value or when I think something needs saying to peg back one of the noisy lunatic fringe people, whether they're on the left or right side of the equation.

In other news, I was a "Remain" voter, though did so after a lot of research and reflection and found it a tough decision, much less clear cut than many seem to think. I dislike racism and most other forms of discrimination (not all that arsed about all this new trans stuff, tbh). I sympathise with the various anti-racism campaigns but would prefer they used their platforms to educate us on more specific issues and objectives. I care about and campaign for the environment, particularly the countryside. I am a Capitalist, but would like to see some of the more rampant piss-taking in terms of corporate tax avoidance addressed, and would not like to see a repeat of how the banks were allowed to behave previously. I believe we should be looking after our poor and vulnerable, but not those who take advantage of the support meant for the more deserving. I don't have strong opinions on many of the conflicts going on around the world, nor do I seek out the opinions of others in respect of those.

There we go. I'm sure nobody else will be remotely interested in all that, but now I've got it all off my chest, do you feel more comfortable with me chipping in from time to time?
 

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What on earth are you on about?

Nobody has asked about my political beliefs and other than engaging in a bit of debate on here from time to time, I don't feel the need to ram them down everyone's throat ad nauseam, unlike a few on here, you being a prime example.

FYI, I am probably a right-leaning centrist. I have voted Tory in every past GE however given their shambolic handling of Brexit, hapless management of Covid and scandalous misuse of public funds in matters like PPE procurement, I will not be voting for them next time. I do not want to be represented by charlatans like Boris Johnson, anachronistic oddballs like Rees-Mogg, nor those out of their depth like Priti Patel. These people are just the flipside of Corbyn/McDonnell/Abbott as far as I am concerned. My own (Tory) MP, who I've met a number of times and am in pretty regularly touch with, is a good guy, and I'm sure he's not the only one, but sadly he does not seem destined for any positions of responsibility.

I was actually sufficiently disaffected with the Tories to have wanted to vote Labour at the last GE but did not feel inclined to vote for Corbyn and his loony lefty mob. The dashing Sir Keir would however definitely get my vote, as he and those around him appear a great deal more reasonable than the Momentum bullies who swept the completely unsuitable Corbyn to the leadership. Hopefully, a return towards the centre ground on the left would see a similar movement over time from the Tories.

I greatly dislike the increasingly polarised nature of a lot of politics, but recognise that a lot of this is driven by people at either extreme who have far too much to say for themselves and are far too easily amplified by social media these days. So I'm happy to look at things in as much detail as I'd like to and make up my own mind, interjecting only when I think I can add something of value or when I think something needs saying to peg back one of the noisy lunatic fringe people, whether they're on the left or right side of the equation.

In other news, I was a "Remain" voter, though did so after a lot of research and reflection and found it a tough decision, much less clear cut than many seem to think. I dislike racism and most other forms of discrimination (not all that arsed about all this new trans stuff, tbh). I sympathise with the various anti-racism campaigns but would prefer they used their platforms to educate us on more specific issues and objectives. I care about and campaign for the environment, particularly the countryside. I am a Capitalist, but would like to see some of the more rampant piss-taking in terms of corporate tax avoidance addressed, and would not like to see a repeat of how the banks were allowed to behave previously. I believe we should be looking after our poor and vulnerable, but not those who take advantage of the support meant for the more deserving. I don't have strong opinions on many of the conflicts going on around the world, nor do I seek out the opinions of others in respect of those.

There we go. I'm sure nobody else will be remotely interested in all that, but now I've got it all off my chest, do you feel more comfortable with me chipping in from time to time?
Absolutely and thank you for that.
 
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