The latest Labour Farce

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Do those hospitals run themselves or do you expect people to magically work for free? Where would the staff required to fill those hospitals come from?
I believe that is just to reference the sheer magnitude of the colossal Tory wastage

And it is colossal.
 

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Again for comparison, the recent trip to mars cost £2b
 

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For business and education, I'd agree.

For people to spread the usual trash on Facebook? Eh....
Well its difficult to monitor the way people make use of things, give Shakespeare a pen and paper and he'll come up with King Lear, give me a pen and paper and youd get a couple of sketches of my dog.
 

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Anglo-Swedish actually.

Pretend they were fully British then and nationalised.

Do you think they'd have done a good job if nationalised? I doubt it.

People complain about big pharma, people fail to grasp the R&D costs are absolutely massive - for everything coming to the marketplace, tonnes don't. I don't see the taxpayer taking on those research costs as being acceptable.
AstraZeneca got a big whack of money upfront off the government to research the vaccine didn’t they?
 

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No idea on that score.

Isn't this meant to be the "Labour Farce Thread" though?

People are letting Splotty off the hook... :hehe:
Maybe they've just decided not to bicker.......
 

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More mental health slurs?

I didn't make the avatar, asked a mate who is better at graphics than I am to make one up with that text, with a collar and tie image.

I'm happy to replace it if you want, as I've told a mod.

Not knowing it was you, suggesting I'd target your family is plain silly.
So your "mate", when searching through the millions of pictures of a collar and tie he might have used, happened by chance upon the Linkedin profile picture of your nemesis.

OK. :sherlock:
 

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So your "mate", when searching through the millions of pictures of a collar and tie he might have used, happened by chance upon the Linkedin profile picture of your nemesis.

OK. :sherlock:
I can give you the odds if you like?
 

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Well hold on just a minute.

I can recall a former poster, and a couple of his chums, basically saying this board was full of Leftys.

Speaking personally I haven't commented on Keir Starmers interview on LBS for a number of reasons:
1. I wasn't aware he's done an interview on LBC
2. I don't listen to LBC
3. I've been working.

I consider myself working class but my politics are centrist, maybe left of centre. I think the Tory party, in it's current form, is fundamentally evil. But I also have grave concerns about the Momentum faction within labour.

But the extreme left will never get elected in this country, to think otherwise is to bark at the moon imho.

For most of my lifetime, this country has been a two party system, Tory and New (centrist) labour.
To me ANYTHING is preferable than the Tories, and all you and the left are doing is handing votes to them.
Let's try and put some flesh on this. I guess in describing yourself as centrist or left of center, you believe that socially, you're liberal, maybe socially you believe that you are very liberal. Now when it comes to the economy, this is where you part company with notions about a socialist view of it.

You regard fanciful values about treating an economy, to act in part, for the good of society as a whole, as cute but unfeasible.

So you buy into the concept of economically being a 'grown up' which involves measuring people's value based on their contribution to capitalism, that involves generally going along with the needs of corporations. In broad terms that is the very essence of a typical Labour supporting centrist.

But the reality is that social values and economic values can't really be separated. Serving corporate interests, along with those in the top socio-economic strata of society, the mega wealthy, has consequences for the rest of society. The bigger and more successful, that corporations and the mega wealthy become, the more that wealth is sucked upwards out of society as a whole.

We see the results of this all around us, with higher numbers of people facing destitution, poverty, homelessness, unemployment, malnutrition and physical and mental health problems. The basic inequality in society is an unavoidable consequence
of a centrist approach to government.
 

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Perhaps young QM was being economical with the truth. Either that or he mis-typed, like someone for example, who has mis-spoken.
 

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Perhaps young QM was being economical with the truth. Either that or he mis-typed, like someone for example, who has mis-spoken.
I know it's difficult for you to grasp, Splotty but you have quite the reputation. Mate was winding me up by it as well as you...

A new avatar has been commissioned and should be here for the weekend.

As you'll note, once I heard the provenance of said image, more than happy to remove it.
 

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I know it's difficult for you to grasp, Splotty but you have quite the reputation. Mate was winding me up by it as well as you...

A new avatar has been commissioned and should be here for the weekend.

As you'll note, once I heard the provenance of said image, more than happy to remove it.
Once I heard

:hehe::hehe::hehe:
 

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Let's try and put some flesh on this. I guess in describing yourself as centrist or left of center, you believe that socially, you're liberal, maybe socially you believe that you are very liberal. Now when it comes to the economy, this is where you part company with notions about a socialist view of it.

You regard fanciful values about treating an economy, to act in part, for the good of society as a whole, as cute but unfeasible.

So you buy into the concept of economically being a 'grown up' which involves measuring people's value based on their contribution to capitalism, that involves generally going along with the needs of corporations. In broad terms that is the very essence of a typical Labour supporting centrist.

But the reality is that social values and economic values can't really be separated. Serving corporate interests, along with those in the top socio-economic strata of society, the mega wealthy, has consequences for the rest of society. The bigger and more successful, that corporations and the mega wealthy become, the more that wealth is sucked upwards out of society as a whole.

We see the results of this all around us, with higher numbers of people facing destitution, poverty, homelessness, unemployment, malnutrition and physical and mental health problems. The basic inequality in society is an unavoidable consequence
of a centrist approach to government.
You’re probably overthinking it a bit, I am a simple soul.

I come from a working class area with aspirational parents who worked hard, and put everything into making a better life for us, and me in particular.

So, I believe in hard work, I believe in capitalism, I believe that taxing high earners to the hilt (at one point in the 70’s the top band was 83%) is counter productive but that people SHOULD pay tax - I’m looking at you Jacob - but not to the extent that they all disappear overseas and don’t pay anything.

I lived through socialism in the 70’s, and imho it just doe

But here’s the thing, I believe that as a society, our taxes should help those who can’t help themselves.

Capitalism with a conscience you might say.

You may call me naive, and maybe I am, but right now we have a choice between Boris Johnson and Keir Starmer, and for me it’s an easy decision.
 

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You’re probably overthinking it a bit, I am a simple soul.

I come from a working class area with aspirational parents who worked hard, and put everything into making a better life for us, and me in particular.

So, I believe in hard work, I believe in capitalism, I believe that taxing high earners to the hilt (at one point in the 70’s the top band was 83%) is counter productive but that people SHOULD pay tax - I’m looking at you Jacob - but not to the extent that they all disappear overseas and don’t pay anything.

I lived through socialism in the 70’s, and imho it just doe

But here’s the thing, I believe that as a society, our taxes should help those who can’t help themselves.

Capitalism with a conscience you might say.

You may call me naive, and maybe I am, but right now we have a choice between Boris Johnson and Keir Starmer, and for me it’s an easy decision.
Have a read through this thread, which identifies Labour HQ staff, who were placing adverts against Corbyn during the middle of a GE election campaign.
 

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