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But surely you just described what a left/right problem is:shrug2:
There's a huge difference between left/right politics and extreme far-right, neo-Nazi white supremacist politics, or extreme far-left groups. See the link that I supplied earlier.
Socialism isn't extreme far-left, Bolshivism however clearly was.
 

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The Republicans are going through what Labour have been going through here just with completely different personalities. Both as divisive in their own ways and both with their cult following. Can’t see em getting back in for a while. Just like Labour here.
I think that because Trumps loyal supporters
He's starting to look royally fucked now. It's lovely to see, but part of me wonders if this would be better happening after 20th Jan.

He’s damaged goods.They’re all jumping ship now so they aren’t associated with someone who could well become the first US president to go to jail.
 

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There's a huge difference between left/right politics and extreme far-right, neo-Nazi white supremacist politics, or extreme far-left groups. See the link that I supplied earlier.
Socialism isn't extreme far-left, Bolshivism however clearly was.


All one in the same you nutter.

All sides, groups, movements etc have an extreme side. Keep pushing the divide and people just get pushed further to the extremes.

Do you really think that many of the protestors at the Capitol the other day, would have imagined being shoulder to shoulder with extremists previously.
 

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But lots of people think that due to the Trump rhetoric.
Socialism has been a dirty word since at least the Reagan years. Thatcher cottoned onto it and the Tories have produced leaders ever since that struggle to tell us why their ideas work but can spout all sorts of bollocks about how Socialism will fail. They'll usually say things like Venezuela and free market economies just to bore you even more.
 

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But lots of people think that due to the Trump rhetoric.
Let's be clear here. Trump has had a lifetime career of fraud, embezzlement, criminal behaviour and all of it decades before he got involved in politics. Both he and his wife face charges of diverting inaugural funds, from his first election, to their private accounts. Evidence is emerging that both he, his wife and other family members, have done the same thing during the November campaign.
 

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I see the Shamen is getting sick because his food isn't "organic". :hehe:
 

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And that's from his mum telling anybody who will listen:hehe:
They are going to give him food in keeping with a shamen's diet. Farmed on lies and inefficient practices and an extra 25% added to the food bill. Fancy being as clever as him and falling for such an obvious scam. :hehe:
 

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Socialism has been a dirty word since at least the Reagan years. Thatcher cottoned onto it and the Tories have produced leaders ever since that struggle to tell us why their ideas work but can spout all sorts of bollocks about how Socialism will fail. They'll usually say things like Venezuela and free market economies just to bore you even more.
Millions and millions of voters in the UK voted for socialist values, socialist principles and a socialist program for a much fairer society. I fully accept that in the end their votes were not enough, but it doesn't detract from the fact that there was and still is, a large percentage of the UK electorate who would have much preferred a different outcome.

Socialism has become a 'dirty word' purely as a result of an outstanding propaganda campaign, by the mainstream media which by and large is controlled by corporations and individual billionaires. The political smears and abuse which are levelled at socialism, are done to protect the notion that the economy must take precedent over society as a whole.

Conflating Marx, or Marxist theories for a fairer society with political Bolshevism, is just one of the ways of politically smearing or abusing those who believe in a fairer society. This however gets turned on its head by the right-wing, when for example individuals rise to prominence in one field and use that as a means of highlighting and fighting for social justice causes. Look no further than the campaign run to feed disadvantaged children by the footballer Marcus Rashford. He doesn't have to beg for our current right-wing government to take notice of his campaign, as Boris Johnson falls over himself to ring Marcus personally to find out if government support and funding, is reaching the intended recipients. All of a sudden one of the most ardent right-wingers that we have ever seen, is supportive of what is after all a socialist commitment to feed children in need.
 

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All one in the same you nutter.

All sides, groups, movements etc have an extreme side. Keep pushing the divide and people just get pushed further to the extremes.

Do you really think that many of the protestors at the Capitol the other day, would have imagined being shoulder to shoulder with extremists previously.
We will have to differ on this.

It's disaffection, fear of the other, the perception of a lack of representation that ultimately pushes people to the far ends of the political spectrum.

I disagree with your analysis as it is the same as saying that a Conservative voter in Tunbridge Wells has an affinity with and EDL member from Luton. Or to take it a stage further, the EDL member has common ground with neo-Nazis.

As for the 'demonstrators' no one was there to attend a peaceful political meeting, then go home quietly. The FBI have uncovered plots involving all 50 Capitol buildings around the whole of the US. This wasn't a political movement but an attempt to bring about a coup d'etat, an insurrection.
 

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We will have to differ on this.

It's disaffection, fear of the other, the perception of a lack of representation that ultimately pushes people to the far ends of the political spectrum.

I disagree with your analysis as it is the same as saying that a Conservative voter in Tunbridge Wells has an affinity with and EDL member from Luton. Or to take it a stage further, the EDL member has common ground with neo-Nazis.

As for the 'demonstrators' no one was there to attend a peaceful political meeting, then go home quietly. The FBI have uncovered plots involving all 50 Capitol buildings around the whole of the US. This wasn't a political movement but an attempt to bring about a coup d'etat, an insurrection.


I would guess that more than half the people at the protest were there to shout, sing, wave flags and just be part of something they believed in. Not for a second do I think they thought they were actually going to storm the building....in fact most of them didn't enter it.

The extremists numbers on either side are relatively small, they need the masses out protesting so they can manipulate these situations.
 

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