Welsh Independence

[Heisenberg]

So there wasn't 30000 there then. Cheers heissy

There were 33k there.

 

[Nugent]

There were 33k there.

You didn't even watch it how can you comment on something if you didn't see it

 

[Heisenberg]

You didn't even watch it

Obviously. Neither of us did (I'm sure you would have popped along if you weren't wrapped up in your blanket at home because of your runny nose)... But I'm not claiming that I know how many people were there based off a photo and bullshit logic

 

[Chris Peplow]

How do you know it was at that point if you were in Mill Lane mate

How do you know it was at that point if you were in Mill Lane mate

I watched it. Some of our lads were at the Borough

 

[kiffa]

I watched it. Some of our lads were at the Borough

 

[Nugent]

I watched it. Some of our lads were at the Borough

How many did you count

 

[Melvin Udal]

Unlucky Quim

Quim to be duly added to dying out words

 

[kiffa]

Quim to be duly added to dying out words

Certainly died on this thread

 

[Worse]

Brilliant turn out on Saturday for the AUOB march, 10k plus on a day of a train strike was a magnificent effort.

6,900 children. No union flags.

Same as the last march, the one before that and the one before that.

 

[Dr. Lecter]

6,900 children. No union flags.

Same as the last march, the one before that and the one before that.

Look out, it’s Nugents dad.

 

[Nugent]

Nicola Spurgeon getting schooled by Laura keunsssssberg this morning on her show.
She let the Scottish leader ramble on about Scottish indy to then show her a graph from a latest poll.
Less than 45% would vote indy.
And 25% want a referendum in the next 12 months.

 

[Worse]

Nicola Spurgeon getting schooled by Laura keunsssssberg this morning on her show.
She let the Scottish leader ramble on about Scottish indy to then show her a graph from a latest poll.
Less than 45% would vote indy.
And 25% want a referendum in the next 12 months.

It's not even news. Just a small minority of malcontents, pursuing the same noisy demands with a backdrop of a completely disinterested majority.
Fortunately the sensible adults in Wales have seen the indy hysteria for exactly what it is, a 70+ year campaign which has achieved nothing.

 

[Jimmytaff]

Nicola Spurgeon getting schooled by Laura keunsssssberg this morning on her show.
She let the Scottish leader ramble on about Scottish indy to then show her a graph from a latest poll.
Less than 45% would vote indy.
And 25% want a referendum in the next 12 months.

We know how misleading polls and projections can be.

 

[Chris Peplow]

Nicola Spurgeon getting schooled by Laura keunsssssberg this morning on her show.
She let the Scottish leader ramble on about Scottish indy to then show her a graph from a latest poll.
Less than 45% would vote indy.
And 25% want a referendum in the next 12 months.

Aye but 55% voted for Fortune-West

 

[PointyHead]

We know how misleading polls and projections can be.

Agreed, but the problem is, Sturgeon is a one issue person.

If you take railing against Westminster, wanting independence away then Sturgeon would be judged on the performance of SNP policies. There are increasing drug deaths, worst in Europe. Educational standards and attainments falling. Trans women preferred over biological women. That's why Sturgeon won't abide by the referendum result and keeps pushing, it's a useful deflection tactic.

 

[Heisenberg]

Agreed, but the problem is, Sturgeon is a one issue person.

If you take railing against Westminster, wanting independence away then Sturgeon would be judged on the performance of SNP policies. There are increasing drug deaths, worst in Europe. Educational standards and attainments falling. Trans women preferred over biological women. That's why Sturgeon won't abide by the referendum result and keeps pushing, it's a useful deflection tactic.

 

[Jimmytaff]

Agreed, but the problem is, Sturgeon is a one issue person.

If you take railing against Westminster, wanting independence away then Sturgeon would be judged on the performance of SNP policies. There are increasing drug deaths, worst in Europe. Educational standards and attainments falling. Trans women preferred over biological women. That's why Sturgeon won't abide by the referendum result and keeps pushing, it's a useful deflection tactic.

I don't really have a view on Scottish independence but was just commenting as 5% feck all in a poll. SNP will keep pushing for refendum and if they lose they'll find a pretext for a new one sooner than previously agreed. They only have to win once.

 

[PointyHead]

I don't really have a view on Scottish independence but was just commenting as 5% feck all in a poll. SNP will keep pushing for refendum and if they lose they'll find a pretext for a new one sooner than previously agreed. They only have to win once.

The lack of support for an independence vote this year undermines her plans though. "The public want this". "Nah, we don't".

If the latter point you make, which I agree with, is the case, then what's to stop Scottish Labour demanding new general elections every year as they disagree with the result?

 

[Jimmytaff]

The lack of support for an independence vote this year undermines her plans though. "The public want this". "Nah, we don't".

If the latter point you make, which I agree with, is the case, then what's to stop Scottish Labour demanding new general elections every year as they disagree with the result?

I think I'm misunderstanding your point at the end - you can't demand (not effectively anyhow) elections when in Opposition.

With regards your first para the British public at large didn't want a vote on Brexit yet here we are.

 

[PointyHead]

I think I'm misunderstanding your point at the end - you can't demand (not effectively anyhow) elections when in Opposition.

With regards your first para the British public at large didn't want a vote on Brexit yet here we are.

The point was referencing complaining about a democratic decision. "We don't like the decision, public must be wrong, vote again". Long term, that approach loses more support than it gains.

The Brexit vote was something that the political elite delayed. Nobody got a vote on Maastricht, passing of which formed the EU in the first instance. British public were taken from a trading block into a trading block + social, political institutions without ever having a say - in the GE before, none of the major parties were against it. A lot of the issues could well have been headed off at the pass if a referendum was held about taking us into the EU. As that never happened, Tory divisions over the issue simply festered. Cameron believed the public were enthralled with everything EU, went to EU to get a deal which he could use to show Britain actually had influence and the EU was a jolly good place to be. Senior EU officials and national leaders ridiculed the deal making Cameron look a fool and, well, we know what happened.

Now, the public may well have not wanted a vote on Brexit, but they sure as hell turned up to vote on it irrespective of which side they voted for. If there were yearly calls for a referendum about rejoining, those would be mocked.