Ryan Giggs Court Case

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The jury in the trial of former Manchester United player Ryan Giggs has been discharged.

The 48-year-old denied headbutting ex-partner Kate Greville, 38, during a row at his home in November 2020.

He also denied controlling behaviour, as well as assaulting Ms Greville's sister Emma, 26, at Manchester Crown Court.

Giggs was Wales manager until he resigned in June and played for Manchester United.
 

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So is that him in the clear?
 

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So is that him in the clear?
Yes and No.

No decision was reached by the jury so therefore it's up to CPS if they want to take the case to a retrial.

Given the evidence the alleged victim was dodgy as heck, given not finding even a majority verdict in this case, wouldn't surprise me if CPS drop it.

At this time, he remains innocent of all charges.
 

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Retrial, I think?
As I said, it's now in CPS hands to determine if they want to take it to a re-trial.

All the original one showed was that Giggs was an arsehole and the alleged victim made an unconvincing witness with plenty of discrepencies and inconsistencies.

Not sure what happens if the same thing occurs in the "extra time" trial - go to pelanties?
 

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Yes and No.

No decision was reached by the jury so therefore it's up to CPS if they want to take the case to a retrial.

Given the evidence the alleged victim was dodgy as heck, given not finding even a majority verdict in this case, wouldn't surprise me if CPS drop it.

At this time, he remains innocent of all charges.
Technically, not innocent, but not found guilty or not guilty of the charges. Even if the charges are dropped, that doesn't "prove" innocence. It is only inferred.
 

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Petrocelli is off
 

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Ryan, you might be free,
They didn’t incarcerate thee,

We know you can’t control your hands,
You’re despised by Welsh fans,

Don’t ask for your job back,
You’re lucky you didn’t get the sack,

Women think you’re out of control,
Your eyes are beady like a mole,
We don’t care if you’re as hard as a totem pole.
 

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Technically, not innocent, but not found guilty or not guilty of the charges. Even if the charges are dropped, that doesn't "prove" innocence. It is only inferred.
It's still innocent till proven guilty, so at this time he's innocent. It's for the prosecution to prove guilt, not for him to prove innocence.

Scotland has another option, in "not proven".
 

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It's still innocent till proven guilty, so at this time he's innocent. It's for the prosecution to prove guilt, not for him to prove innocence.

Scotland has another option, in "not proven".
Yes, in Scotland, this would be "not proven".

The innocent until proven guilty philosophy is a bit of a misnomer in reality these days as the accusations will hang around unless proven otherwise.
 

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Ryan, you might be free,
They didn’t incarcerate thee,

We know you can’t control your hands,
You’re despised by Welsh fans,

Don’t ask for your job back,
You’re lucky you didn’t get the sack,

Women think you’re out of control,
Your eyes are beady like a mole,
We don’t care if you’re as hard as a totem pole.
Worthy of the man himself :hehe:
 

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Yes, in Scotland, this would be "not proven".

The innocent until proven guilty philosophy is a bit of a misnomer in reality these days as the accusations will hang around unless proven otherwise.
Of course the allegations will hang around, that's the difference between legal status and public perception though.

CPS will have to take a look at the evidence they provided, rebuttals and evidence from the defence and test if it's both in the public interest to have a re-trial and that there's a reasonable chance of conviction - "realistic prospect of conviction" for each charge. Having gone through one trial, they may well re-evaluate on the chance of conviction.
 

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Anybody who believes Giggs is "innocent" because the jury couldn't agree probably also believes in fairies at the bottom of the garden and Father Chrismas.
 

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As I said, it's now in CPS hands to determine if they want to take it to a re-trial.

All the original one showed was that Giggs was an arsehole and the alleged victim made an unconvincing witness with plenty of discrepencies and inconsistencies.

Not sure what happens if the same thing occurs in the "extra time" trial - go to pelanties?
Guilty of being an arsehole for sure.

Whenever prosecution witnesses “accidentally drop their phone into the sea”, or misplace it somehow leading to crucial evidence being omitted from any trial, you tilt an eyebrow, and be sceptical.
 

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Anybody who believes Giggs is "innocent" because the jury couldn't agree probably also believes in fairies at the bottom of the garden and Father Chrismas.
Season 2 Nbc GIF by The Office
 

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Anybody who believes Giggs is "innocent" because the jury couldn't agree probably also believes in fairies at the bottom of the garden and Father Chrismas.
Hardly a belief, more a recognition that it's the current legal status in the English and Welsh court system.
 

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Guilty of being an arsehole for sure.

Whenever prosecution witnesses “accidentally drop their phone into the sea”, or misplace it somehow leading to crucial evidence being omitted from any trial, you tilt an eyebrow, and be sceptical.
Don't forget "recreating photo for the media" to get the media off her back, complaining that the photographer used a "shit photo" but on the bright side, it looked "more realistic".

Or the claiming to have cancerous cells from a smear test whilst actually having her coil removed and then having unprotected sex with Giggs.

Or the "going to get something out of this" comment.
 

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